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Seventeen people voted for the Nova Awards this year. I'm pretty sure that I had enough friends at Novacon that, had I offered to buy each one a drink, I could've mustered eighteen votes.


It bears noting that, although I'd really love to win a Nova for Procrastinations someday, bribery is not the way I want to do it. Don't flame too hard!

Date: 2012-11-13 12:51 am (UTC)
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No I've been saying this for years. When it gets to these kind of nos, it's all a bit silly.

Date: 2012-11-13 01:00 am (UTC)
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I bet you could drive voter engagement and participation, and you would still be accused of either campaigning/pandering or bribery.
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Date: 2012-11-13 07:56 am (UTC)
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That is just over 10% I think...

Date: 2012-11-15 12:54 am (UTC)
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I read somewhere 6 of those were e-votes - so only 10 ppl actually at the con.

Date: 2012-11-13 08:24 am (UTC)
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At the closing ceremony I am pretty sure a number around 260 was mentioned as the convention attendance, but you don't have to be a member of Novacon to vote for the Novas. "Voting is open to all members of Novacon 42, and to any sf fan resident in the UK or Eire; the only criterion is that they have read at least six different eligible fanzines published between 1 October 2011 and 30 September 2012." Source:

Date: 2012-11-13 08:00 am (UTC)
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I checked the list and wasn't eligible to vote. Which I was quite surprised by.

(I am for next year, having had more than six fanzines at the con!)

Date: 2012-11-13 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Where does the number 17 come from? Is there a voting breakdown available somewhere?

Date: 2012-11-13 08:31 am (UTC)
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[ profile] stevegreen posted an entry yesterday that contained the number of voters but not the breakdown.

Date: 2012-11-13 09:43 am (UTC)
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So only 11 votes made at the convention.

Maybe if they had some fanzine programming, preferably before the voting deadline, things might perk up?

I went to Novacon 34 as I thought there would stuff about fanzines there, and I was getting going with The Banksoniain. There was, but it was chat in the bar, which I only got into via ZZ9 connections, and the only thing fanzine related on the programme was the awards. So I didn't both again until Novacon 40 when Iain was GoH, and Novacon 42 as the ZZ9 AGM was there. Novacon 43 I will probably go to as I won a membership.

Date: 2012-11-13 01:08 pm (UTC)
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Go back to the original system, where people could nominate, but the final award was down to a panel of judges?

Date: 2012-11-13 01:41 pm (UTC)
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As with many, I didn't vote because I hadn't read 6 different zines in the last year. You, John, could have bribed me into voting for you if I had read enough, but I'm not up for pretending to have received zines that weren't sent or given to me.

On the free fanzine table there was a fanzine from 1992 discussing whether there was any point in the Novas carrying on.

Date: 2012-11-13 01:59 pm (UTC)
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My vote is all yours for a large glass of wine :P

On a more serious note, this does seem a worrying trend. Is the eligibilty bar set too high? I wasn't eligible to vote this year.

Date: 2012-11-13 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Some quiet campaigning and a bit of organised voting (nothing huge and no pressuring: just deciding whether you want people to vote for you in best fan writer or best fanzine and making that preference known, directing people to where they can read six eligible fanzines and so on) in the run up to next year might not be the worst idea, TBH. A year of all new names could serve to push it out of the rut a bit.

I'll be honest, while I think it's a pity the way the voting is going I've never been keen on the idea of getting rid of it as a result. 17 largely arbitrary votes for a minority award or 200 largely arbitrary votes for a minority award it's still a largely meaningless thing.

(And I say that as somebody who'd be over the moon to win one).

Date: 2012-11-13 05:29 pm (UTC)
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I would like a Nova also for either Beam or Pips but wonder how prestigious it actually is with so few people voting. I know several very prominent fanzine fans didn't vote. Oh woeful indeed. I don't think the bar is set too high. 6 fanzines in one year is not many at all but maybe there just aren't enough people reading fanzines.

Date: 2012-11-13 06:46 pm (UTC)
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Not controversial at all. Mark's acceptance speech was far more pointed than that. Periodically there's been a panel about this and people turn up and resolve to Do Something and the We Must Save The Novas. Best fanzine Hugo vote is probably more like 12.5 to 15% of Worldcon attendance but conversely that's an awful lot more actual people.

Also one shouldn't underestimate (except in one house in South London where they can't move for the bloody things) what a cool thing a (Ray Bradbury*-era) Nova is to own.

I do also begin to suspect that some people are now not voting because they think other people aren't voting so there's no point, while the other people aren't voting because, well, you get the point...

*To avoid confusion the current award was sculpted by the late Birmingham fan Ray Bradbury not the American subject of Fuck Me Ray Bradbury...

You should probably aspire to a FAAN award.

Date: 2012-11-13 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think the Novas are closer to my heart than the FAAn awards, I'd rather win a Nova :)

Date: 2012-11-13 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Nova awards themselves are very cool. They're lovely as artefacts in themselves and they can work very nicely as the 'friendly pat on the back' from other people who know about and like fanzines which the rules intend them to be.

They're much less fun to win when you know that only a handful of people are directly engaged with them, and that actually only a few people thought you were any good.

But I've spent the past eight years trying to encourage more people to vote, or to change the Novas so that they're actually meaningful to a lot more people at Novacon again, and I've pretty much given up now. I'm not going to reprise here all the potential reasons why it seems people don't vote; I've already spent a lot of time today in other discussions reiterating what's been said and considered and actually tried before. I suppose the good news there is that a number of different groups of people have been provoked to reflect on it all now.

Date: 2012-11-15 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
What fnzs were there? I haven't seen a list tho I heard yours was out, hint hint!

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